DISCUSSION THREADS ABOUT RADIO FREE HAWAII The following text files are disucssion threads pulled from various BBS's (most notably Technotronic BBS) from the early and mid 1990s. I was very much into Radio Free Hawaii as you will see some of my biases creeping in to many of these. It is too bad that I never saved everything from the old BBSs, but what little there is, is here in the raw for all to see again. Read these at your own risk. ;-) MEL, September 21, 2003 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Msg Base: #4 - Radio Free Hawaii Feedback (LOCAL) Msg No: 74. Sat 11-09-91 16:20 (NO KILL) From: Jerry Deguzman To: Kirsten Gold Subject: Expanded Ballots... In regards to your question about expanding the ballots.... I've visited SEVERAL ballot box sites, and even stopped by the station and spoke with Donna (the receptionist) about "new" ballots. Nobody there knew what I was talking about. All I need to see is one, just one, blank ballot that allows 10 positive as well as 10 negative, or have Norm or Kari give me a call, or Guy at In Design in McCully, or Mari from the business office, or ANYBODY from RFH to tell me to change the ballots - and, POOF! It will be done.... I guarantee it.... As far as allowing more room for comments: The current BBS ballots allows 5 lines (at 80 columns a line, that's a total of 400 letters). I seriously doubt that the regular paper ballots allow for that much comments. Again, in posting BBS ballots, I do not want to do anything that's contradictory to the existing ballot formats. After all, it wouldn't be fair for computer users to have more of a say then people who don't have computers. In a nutshell, here are the things that I _could_ do, but will NOT do, in order to maintain equality with the paper ballot system: 1). Develop a "tighter" duplicate ballot eliminator algorithm. a. The most effective way of doing this would be to only allow validated callers to cast votes. But, voting should be open to EVERYBODY, validated or not. b. The system already implemented is actually tighter than your normal paper balloting system (which offers NO security at all). 2). Offer more room for comments on the ballots a. Compare the room you have on the BBS ballot against the room available on a paper ballot, You'll find the BBS ballot probably offers more room for comments as it is (unless, of course, you write VERY small on the paper ballot). Messages available are #1 to 76. You last read #74. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: #4 - Radio Free Hawaii Feedback (LOCAL) Msg No: 75. Sat 11-09-91 16:33 (NO KILL) From: Jerry Deguzman To: Melvin Ahching Subject: Dupes ALSO SEE: 73. º What about people who use different names on different BBSes? How does the I guess this question popped into EVERYBODY's head at precisely the same moment, cause you're probably the fourth or fifth person asking this! . Believe me, I've already taken this into consideration when I developed the online balloting system. On the very first line of the BBS ballot, it asks for your full name. Sure, I realize that people may use different names on different BBS's.... But, with the regular paper ballots, people could fill in multiple ballots using different names, just the same. In that respect, the security level is exactly equivilent to paper balloting.... So, what kind of measures ARE implemented? Well, on the ballot itself there are actually TWO names - one is the name that is used on the BBS, and one that the user enters himself (in the event that a voter logged onto the BBS with a handle). The compiler compares these two names, and if ANY of them are duplicated, then the duplicate ballot is thrown away. In this respect, the BBS ballot security is _slightly_ more secure than paper balloting methods. Addressing the possibility of using multiple ID's on seperate boards - we'll still have to rely on the voter's integrity to provide his/her REAL name on the first line of the ballot. Messages available are #1 to 76. You last read #75. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: r REPLY TO MESSAGE #75. From: Melvin Ahching To: Jerry Deguzman Press Esc for new subject, or Enter to retain old subject. Subject: Dupes Security: Private Kill protect None? Subj: radio free hawaii (149/200) From: Michael Kaye #16 Last on: 10/23/91 To : All Date: Sat, Oct 19, 1991 3:43:19 PM Something you may not have realized about radio free hawaii is that ballots are "weighted" according to demographics. In plain english, this means that your vote, if you are say a male 18-24, counts say one tenth as much as a female age 10-14's vote. They are holding a discussion next saturday around noonish on the air, they will be voting on whether or not to get rid of this absurd weighting. If you recall the constitution used to hold that blacks were 3/5ths of a citizen, until they fixed it. This is just as absurd. Here are some examples. Another Bad creation, has 41 positive votes and 10 negative votes. It is #43 on the chart. The greatful dead, has 41 positive votes and 9 negative votes. It is #343 on the chart. No kidding. All because of this weighting. Subj: well. (158/200) From: Michael Kaye #16 Last on: 10/23/91 To : The Vizion #90 Date: Sat, Oct 19, 1991 8:28:58 PM If they did it like they do it on the neilsons, I wouldn't object. The neilsons tally by household, and hand advertisers a demographic readout so that advertisers can target a specific audience. The question is, why should 10-14 year old girls have their vote count so much more than 18-24 year old boys. I think it makes sense to temper the votes of groups that vote much more than others somewhat, but their weighting system goes too far. So far that anomalies like the one I pointed out are common. Here's another example for you. "Can I call you my girl" by "PC quest" has 42 positive votes,and 18 negative votes. It's rated #52. "Take the skin heads bowling" by camper van beethoven has 33 positive votes, and 0 negative votes. It's rated #338. Subj: RE: radio free hawaii (169/200) From: Cheshire Cat #28 Last on: 10/20/91 To : Michael Kaye #16 Date: Sun, Oct 20, 1991 11:20:08 PM general consensus in the studio is that although we like the dead, let us explain to you why the votes are weighted- if each male 18-24 vote counted as much as a female 15-17 vote, the only music the station would play would be the music loved by males age 18-24 that would really bum out every other age group with different tastes. MUSIC FOR THE PEOPLE! p.s. it helps to ballot-load. *innocent look* signed male age group 15-17 and two females age 18-24 Msg Base: #1 - General Messages Area (LOCAL) Msg No: 833. Wed 10-30-91 20:58 From: Melvin Ahching To: Brian Sudis Subject: Ballot Weighting on RFH ALSO SEE: 817. Hmmm.... I fall in the same demographic as you.... So from what I understand now, this ballot weighting SHOULD favor us over the 15-20 male grouping??? How did you find out about the ballot weighting anyway? Did you call Norm up at RFH??? Just wondering..... right now, though, I'm still skeptical about the ballot weighting issue.... I mean in a REAL democracy (like when you vote at the polls every two years), they don't really weight your ballots based on demographics do they???? Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1487. Fri 4-03-92 12:41 (RECV'D) (MAILED) From: Brian Sudis To: Melvin Ahching Subject: Comments on Dark Horse ALSO SEE: 1472, 1492. ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH MEL. WHAT A SHAM RFH'S TRYING TO PULL OFF ON ALL US LOYAL (AND EX-LOYAL IN MY CASE) LISTENERS! I'M VERY TEMPTED TO START CALLING RFH'S ADVERTISERS AND TELL THEM THAT THAT "CASH SPENDING" AUDIENCE THAT THEIR MARKETING DIVISION PROMISED THEM IS GETTING LEFT OUT IN THE COLD AND HAVING MOST OF THEIR VOTES IGNORED! MEL'S PARTRIDGE FAMILY SONG IS A PRIME EXAMPLE! HOW COULD AN ADVERTISER EXPECT RFH TO BE STRAIGHT WITH THEM WHEN THE WONT BE STRAIGHT WITH US!!! (RANT RANT RANT, I KNOW) RFH, AS PRINTED IN THE TEXT I UPLOADED HERE MONTH'S AGO, PROMISED A SYSTEM THAT WOULD ENSURE A CONTINIOUS CYCLE OF FRESH MUSIC BASED ON HOW THEY WOULD COUNT THEIR BALLOTS --- LOOKING BACK ON IT, I WISH I WOULD HAVE PURCHASED THE ADVERTISING TIME THEY WANTED ME TO, SO I COULD CANCEL IT! ##SC_FIDO 1.04á GT->FIDO 030/007 - Techno Tronic BBS Messages available are #1291 to 1502. You last read #1487. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: r Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1487. Fri 4-03-92 12:41 (RECV'D) (MAILED) From: Brian Sudis To: Melvin Ahching Subject: Comments on Dark Horse ALSO SEE: 1472, 1492. ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH MEL. WHAT A SHAM RFH'S TRYING TO PULL OFF ON ALL US LOYAL (AND EX-LOYAL IN MY CASE) LISTENERS! I'M VERY TEMPTED TO START CALLING RFH'S ADVERTISERS AND TELL THEM THAT THAT "CASH SPENDING" AUDIENCE THAT THEIR MARKETING DIVISION PROMISED THEM IS GETTING LEFT OUT IN THE COLD AND HAVING MOST OF THEIR VOTES IGNORED! MEL'S PARTRIDGE FAMILY SONG IS A PRIME EXAMPLE! HOW COULD AN ADVERTISER EXPECT RFH TO BE STRAIGHT WITH THEM WHEN THE WONT BE STRAIGHT WITH US!!! (RANT RANT RANT, I KNOW) RFH, AS PRINTED IN THE TEXT I UPLOADED HERE MONTH'S AGO, PROMISED A SYSTEM THAT WOULD ENSURE A CONTINIOUS CYCLE OF FRESH MUSIC BASED ON HOW THEY WOULD COUNT THEIR BALLOTS --- LOOKING BACK ON IT, I WISH I WOULD HAVE PURCHASED THE ADVERTISING TIME THEY WANTED ME TO, SO I COULD CANCEL IT! ##SC_FIDO 1.04á GT->FIDO 030/007 - Techno Tronic BBS Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1492. Fri 4-03-92 20:12 (NO KILL) (MAILED) From: Jay Stevens To: Brian Sudis Subject: Comments on Dark Horse ALSO SEE: 1487. | ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH MEL. WHAT A SHAM RFH'S | TRYING TO PULL OFF ON ALL US LOYAL (AND EX-LOYAL IN MY CASE) LISTENERS! | | I'M VERY TEMPTED TO START CALLING RFH'S ADVERTISERS AND TELL THEM | THAT THAT "CASH SPENDING" AUDIENCE THAT THEIR MARKETING DIVISION PROMISED | THEM IS GETTING LEFT OUT IN THE COLD AND HAVING MOST OF THEIR VOTES | IGNORED! MEL'S PARTRIDGE FAMILY SONG IS A PRIME EXAMPLE! I know nothing because I am not an RFH listener. Well, I HAVE tuned in once way back when last year and listened for about 10 seconds. That's all. At that time, I remarked that they would not last in this market based on their format. It was evident then that in order to last, they would have to have a format that actually targeted audience specific to certain time slots. Advertisers like to know the target they're shooting at. And, free-for-all formats make for unpredictable, moving targets. Today's advertising talent is simply not good enough to chase slippery audiences. Coming to think of it, they've never been good at that. Commente? Regards, Jay Stevens ##SC_FIDO 1.04á GT->FIDO 030/007 - Techno Tronic BBS Messages available are #1291 to 1506. You last read #1492. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: r Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1472. Mon 3-30-92 22:33 (NO KILL) (MAILED) From: Melvin Ahching To: All Subject: Comments on Dark Horse ALSO SEE: 1481, 1487. MEL'S OBSERVATIONS OF THIS WEEK'S RADIO FREE HAWAII DARK HORSE SURVEY The following are my observations on this week's special Dark Horse chart: First, it says LAST 3 WEEKS VOTE TOTALS COUNTED. My question is, whatever happened to the total accumulation of all songs that have been voted for since Radio Free Hawaii started 44 weeks ago? Case in point is POINT ME IN THE DIRECTION OF ALBURQURQUE.... which I have been voting for EVERY WEEK now for more than 30 of those weeks at least... My votes alone barring any negative votes should have gotten this song on to this Dark Horse survey.... And I know a few of you and some of my friends have voted for it too.... Is the ballot weighting hurting our votes? Is the accumulation system still in effect for all songs ever voted until they make the chart as it has been so claimed a long time ago now????? Why have only the last 3 week's worth of votes been tabulated into this survey? What about all of the other songs we have voted for during the previous 40 weeks that never made the survey? I was expecting to see higher vote totals for those still dark horse songs....... OK, so this is SUPPOSED to be a Dark Horse survey, a list of songs that never made the chart.... overall it is a good effort and not too many serious flaws occured. In fact only one specific song appeared on a survey before.... A few artists have made the survey before too. These are all listed below.... The number one song OPERATION SPIRIT by LIVE was listed on Report #42 at position number 25.... The following artists have been listed on previous surveys before: (most recent survey of appearance in parenthesis()). - LIVE (42) - CYPRESS HILL (43; they made their first appearance on chart #28) - CONCRETE BLONDE (43; a regular fixture at RFH even though GHOST is a new song... I am almost certain it will show up again on future surveys) - UB 40 (15; they're last appearance was under an Any UB-40 listing) The Dark Horse survey is a good effort in getting started towards a wider field of music rotation on RFH. I'm sure at least for this week, the Mozart fans are all happy. Perhaps they should do this every week, or at least revert back to a Top 50 SONGS only format for their weekly rotation. My biggest complaint though is not taking the TOTAL ACCUMULATIVE vote of the last 44 weeks into account for this survey.... Anyway folks, tell me what you all think. Comments and suggestions are welcome!!!! Oh yeh, I forgot to mention that this weeks song discovery is a real oldie... LOOK WHAT THEYVE DONE by Brother Noland has been around a long time.... Just thought Id add this since I'm already nit picking here.... ##SC_FIDO 1.04á GT->FIDO 030/007 - Techno Tronic BBS Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1591. Sun 4-12-92 19:48 (NO KILL) (MAILED) From: Mike Summers To: Melvin Ahching Subject: Dark Horse Week ALSO SEE: 1499, 1595. Congrats on finally getting that Patridge Family song into rotation. I guess I can put up with that song for a week, as I am sure that there is little chance of a groundswell of votes propelling that song into rotation week after week. When they announced you song during the weekly countdown, THEY SAID THEY HAVEN'T BEEN COUNTING OUR VOTES FOR THE PAST THREE WEEKS DUE TO SOME SORT OF PROBLEM!! I guess they finally got their act together and tabulated all of our votes for the past three weeks at one time for inclusion in this weeks countdown. I really hope they take Brian up on his offer to look at a way of revamping their computer ballot counting system. It really is a large data entry problem. As I figure it, they usually get about 2000 ballots each week. If you figure ten negative and ten positive votes per ballot thats 40 thousand entry's per week. If, each entry is on average no more than fourty characters including title and artist, thats 1,600,000 charaters per week. Add another 2000 fourty character lines for demographic information (80,000) and you have 1,680,000 characters per week. If you figure an average word length of five characters, you get about 336,000 words. If you hire data enty clerks who can type 35 wpm with no errors, it will take you about 9600 man/minutes or 160 man/hours. That works out to 4 people working a 40 hour week. If they pay the data enty clerks $5 per hour, thats $800 in straight pay per week. I wonder how much Radio Free is paying to have people punch in the ballots each week. It is a shame to spend that much money and time each week, and not have a system to manipulate the data a million different ways. I am under the impression, half they time, they can't even get an accurate count. Mike Summers --- þ SLMR 2.0 þ "I got mixed-up confusion and its a killing me" - Dylan ##SC_FIDO 1.04á GT->FIDO 030/007 - Techno Tronic BBS Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1521. Tue 4-07-92 7:26 From: Harman Kardon To: Melvin Ahching Subject: RFH Dark Horse Week ALSO SEE: 1500. the thing about a time slot for one voters or a slot for new music are generally diffrent kinds of music; one voters aren't limited to just one kind of music. The punk hour isn't too bad, when I've heard it, Pinky was usually pretty lose on her definition of "punk" music. I seem to rember the idea of a reggae hour as one of the vote topics way way long ago, looks like they're going to keep trying to get it through -==- Messages available are #1311 to 1526. You last read #1521. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1522. Tue 4-07-92 7:30 From: Harman Kardon To: Melvin Ahching Subject: Comments on Dark Horse ALSO SEE: 1501. I am very supprised that "point me the eway to albequery" had any negative votes because I've heard it about once, since they only play it if its on a ballot that they pull. But to think that your "pet" song or my "pet" song couldn't garner at least 4 votes really depresses me. DEMOGRAPHICS SUCK. what happened to the one man, ten votes, isn't this what the station is built on. Its really gets to bug me when 2 legit to quit was saved for a week because of demographics. -==- Messages available are #1311 to 1526. You last read #1522. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: r Msg Base: #4 - Radio Free Hawaii Feedback (LOCAL) Msg No: 80. Mon 11-11-91 22:50 From: Jerry Deguzman To: Melvin Ahching Subject: Dupes ALSO SEE: 77. º Just to clear things up.... I'm registered on this BBS under my REAL name, º and use my real name on the first line of the ballot.... so that means º both of my real names register as ONE and not TWO I hope.... I just want º to make sure so that I know that my 1 weekly ballot is not dumped out of º the system..... Don't worry - THAT's valid (naturally). I guess it's kinda hard for me to explain things when it comes to things that I created (did that make sense?)... such as the balloting program in question. When devising the current system, I was like, in total solitude for a few days, a stranger even to my wife - but never mind about that. Maybe if I drew a picture of how simple the duplicate checking algorithm is, I might be able to convey the idea: BALLOT #1 BALLOT #2 ----------- ---------- BBS Name: "Hammer Time" BBS Name: "Melvin Ahching" Real Name: "Mark Spitz" Real Name: "Melvin Ahching" These two ballots are not considered duplicates, so they will both pass. BALLOT #1 BALLOT #2 ----------- ----------- BBS Name: "Hammer Time" BBS Name: "Hammer Time" Real Name: "Mark Spitz" Real Name: "Edward Casey" These two ballots ARE considered duplicates, and the second one will be ignored. This situation happens if a user who logs on to the board as "Hammer Time" decides to fill out more than one ballot, while giving phony names for each. (note - the BBS Name is the name that a caller logged on to the board with). BALLOT #1 BALLOT #2 ----------- ----------- BBS Name: "Melvin Ahching" BBS Name: "Jerry Deguzman" Real Name: "Melvin Ahching" Real Name: "Melvin Ahching" These two are also considered duplicates. This sort of situation happens if somebody asks somebody else to cast a ballot in their name (in this case, you may have asked me to cast a ballot for you). In short, the ballots are checked against OTHER ballots for possible duplicates (if you look closely, there's a four-way check done on each ballot) - they are NOT checked against themselves, because that wouldn't work for obvious reasons. Messages available are #1311 to 1526. You last read #1517. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1518. 4-05-92 17:39 (MAILED) From: Jay Stevens To: Melvin Ahching Subject: Comments on Dark Horse MA> Yep... you may be right about the advertisers. I work for an agency and MA> they pretty much go by the Arbitron Ratings, whcih breaks everything MA> down into an overall audience, and age demographics and time MA> periods.... Station formats have a lot to do with what type of clients MA> will spend their advertising dollar on what station...... MA> MA> Last week sometime, I heard Norm on the air commenting about the MA> sponsored monkey times. During that he said that he did not believe the MA> book (never mentioned it by name, but I assume he was referring to MA> Arbitron) and were targeting mostly the mom and pop businesses (there MA> are a lot of them, so he has a pretty big potential clientale) who MA> would not normally advertise on radio..... He is trying to use the MA> monkey time as sort of an introductory offer to clients to try the MA> station and see what kind of response they would get for sponsoring one MA> hour of monkey time.... I wish him luck.... What do you do at the agency, if I may ask? You've hit it right on the nail-head as far as the present matter is concerned. Some years ago, when the concept of continuity was introduced in radio broadcasting, station execs resisted. But, it is not difficult to give in to larger audiences and bigger profits -- so they eventually gave in. One would think that is what they want. Now, the successful broadcaster has a well managed, talent-rich continuity department which does a lot more than just line up material in the racks. Formats are designed to ease in to and withdraw out of time slots as the 24-hour day passes. Nevertheless, anything short of spending some serious time listening to RFH and then synthesizing an assessment will fall well short of an educated opinion on my part. Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1654. Sun 4-19-92 17:41 (NO KILL) (MAILED) From: Kirsten Gold To: Melvin Ahching Subject: Leaving? ALSO SEE: 1603. : changes directions..... may be the last you see of me around here....:( You bailing out, too? Well, if ya do I might as well throw in the towel as well...You're the only "fan" I have left! I'm still bugging Kenn to get us hooked-up to Genie, so maybe I can bug you over there too. Oh boy! ##SC_FIDO 1.04a GT->FIDO 030/007 - Techno Tronic BBS Messages available are #1461 to 1667. You last read #1654. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: r REPLY TO MESSAGE #1654. From: Melvin Ahching To: Kirsten Gold Press Esc for new subject, or RETURN to retain old subject. Subject: Leaving? Security: Kill protect None? Enter message, 99 lines max., empty line or CTRL-END to end. [--------------------------------------------------------------------------] 1: Yep. I am thinking about logging in somewhere else... but then it depends 2: if this conference still holds out as an echo, especially since the 3 : software on this board may be changing too.... Anyway, we still have a 4: week or so before the ominous roll in of May 1st. I thought April 15 was 5: bad enough, but May 1st looms as a day of doom to.... BBS speaking.... 6: p erhaps I can see you log on to GEnie? But then not.... ever tried calling 7: the DBED board? It's "free" supported by ALL of us TAXPAYERS.... might as 8: well use that huh???? No on line voting... but then does our one vote 9 : really count that much considering ballot weighting and all that other 10: stuff.... Got some real cool tapes from a friend in California.... MARS FM 11: 103.1.... bet you would love to hear those huh???? 12: Well see you around.... Tell me what you decide finally about the May 1st 13: deadline.... See ya.... MEL. 14: Abort Continue Insert List Edit cursor, home, etc. Editing Keys Topic Delete Read Upload Save: s Time Bank deposit: 5. Balance: 1625 minutes. Storing message #1668... Messages available are #1461 to 1668. You last read #1654. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1655. Sun 4-19-92 17:45 (NO KILL) (MAILED) From: Kirsten Gold To: Melvin Ahching Subject: Donation/Membership on TNT ALSO SEE: 1610. : this message area. I don't do the doors, nor download stuff.... For me its : only RFH that brings me here..... Reading this Jerry???? Same goes for me. You can all laugh at me and my Prodigy, but I could care less about uploading/downloading and opening doors?! I only use these things for messaging, and even that's hardly what it used to be. ##SC_FIDO 1.04a GT->FIDO 030/007 - Techno Tronic BBS Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1310. Sun 3-08-92 21:44 (NO KILL) From: Kirsten Gold To: Melvin Ahching Subject: Tape Swap ALSO SEE: 1303, 1314. º Hey, you wouldn't happen to be working in downtown Honolulu of BOH??? I º work in one of the buildings on Alakea St.... perhaps we can arrange a º tape exchange during lunch or something.... anyway, tell me what you º think.... I work in an annex building disguised as a First Interstate (oh sorry, it's First Hawaiian now) on the corner of King & Nuuanu. I usually take a late lunch (1:30 or later), but give me a jingle at 538-4063 if you want. I already have your tape ready! ##SC_FIDO 1.04á GT->FIDO 030/007 - Techno Tronic BBS Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1602. Tue 4-14-92 7:30 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: All Subject: My votes this week ALSO SEE: 1582. Kill this stupid message already... seen it too many times! Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1603. Tue 4-14-92 7:31 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Brian Sudis Subject: Comments/Ballot Weighting ALSO SEE: 1589. Yep... they are top 40 with a different musical slant.... but looks like after all MY ranting and raving, POINT ME IN THE DIRECTION OF ALBURQURQUE finally makes the top 40.... hooray, cause it made it before this board changes directions..... may be the last you see of me around here....:( Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1604. Tue 4-14-92 7:32 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Brian Sudis Subject: Funk Hour ALSO SEE: 1590. Someone better set up a meeting quickly before I lose track of everyone after May 1st..... Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1605. Tue 4-14-92 7:34 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Mike Summers Subject: Dark Horse Week ALSO SEE: 1591. Yep, I was surprised to see the song listed..... kind of happy to see it there.... I know its not the greatest song, but it was an experiment to see how many weeks and votes it takes to get something really obscure on the chart..... you know most of the songs charted are new ones, and heck, I think there are a lot of old ones that deserved to be heard, even if for only one week...... Yep, they should take up Brian's offer.... fat chance! Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1606. Tue 4-14-92 7:36 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Eric Loucks Subject: Comments/Ballot Weighting ALSO SEE: 1592. Yep, I'll give you a vote for Parliment.... but not ANY PARLIMENT as it is against my principles to vote for an ANY song stuff, so I will vote for TEAR THE ROOF OFF THE SUCKER, since I remember this from my disco DJ days.... looks like I may have to take you up on the Coffeline offer. I'll try to come in NEXT WEEK (April 21).... how's that? I have your tapes made too dude.... What do you think about this board going to an all donation policy? Just wondering how my fellow RFH conference fans feel about this.... You can read my opinion in area #4...... If you folks are planning on NOT donating and not being here, well then I won't.... but if a majority of you will continue using this board and this message base, then I will just to keep in touch, even though the station SUCKS at times.... building friendships are more important than worrying about a station that could change its format anyday!!!! Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1607. Tue 4-14-92 7:41 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Jerry Deguzman Subject: My votes ALSO SEE: 1594. Points well taken about the other radio stations.... Those guys are huge bottom line operations, and they are only wooing the big spenders.... banks, fast food chains, Liberty House, etc..... Music is secondary for them... they are a business first.... And yes, despite RFH's many shortcomings, I think they are devoted to the music first, and to me have an image of looking out for the little guys out there.... us and the small Mom and Pop businesses that normally don't advertise.... I wish them luck, cause like you, they are still the best thing on my FM dial.... Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1503. Sat 4-04-92 21:29 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Rfh /brian Sudis Subject: More Dark Horse Comments Wow dude... yep, I feel jaded at times, but I think this Dark Horse week was the best thing to happen in awhile at RFH.... But like I said earlier, I assumed a lot of songs with higher vote totals would be listed since I thought the entire 44 week's worth of accumulated votes would be counted.... well, today I heard on the countdown that they had some kind of computer problem and could only tabulate the Dark Horse from the last 3 weeks.... Well, I'll give them a second chance to see what happens on the next go round of Dark Horse.... maybe if I and the rest of us are lucky, they may even put in those songs like POINT ME and stuff from the LITTLE MERMAID Soundtrack into hight rotation via the top 50..... I am not ready yet to start calling the advertisers on this one.... perhaps in 7 weeks if nothing different happpens, we all could.... But then it is hard to get RFH's biggest advertiser to boycott the station, since Norm also owns Jellys, which I usually hear the most ads for on the station..... Messages available are #1291 to 1512. You last read #1503. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1504. Sat 4-04-92 21:34 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Brian Sudis Subject: My votes this week ALSO SEE: 1488. You know lately I have been getting into Todd and some of his Utopia stuff. I bought a whole bunch of LPs from the last couple of Jellys 25 cent LP sales.... I really like that HERMIT OF MINK HOLLOW album a lot lately.... Messages available are #1291 to 1512. You last read #1504. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1505. Sat 4-04-92 21:37 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Brian Sudis Subject: Dark Horse Week ALSO SEE: 1489. I wouldn't want the one voter hour to be at an ungodly hour either. Perhaps one hour each on Dave & Sandy, Kathy and Lipps show would be the best showcase for the one voters.... what do you think? Messages available are #1291 to 1512. You last read #1505. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1506. Sat 4-04-92 21:38 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Brian Sudis Subject: Comments on Dark Horse ALSO SEE: 1490. I never joined the fan club after seeing the paltry stuff my friend got. Messages available are #1291 to 1512. You last read #1506. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1507. Sat 4-04-92 21:39 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Jay Stevens Subject: Comments on Dark Horse ALSO SEE: 1492. Yep... you may be right about the advertisers. I work for an agency and they pretty much go by the Arbitron Ratings, whcih breaks everything down into an overall audience, and age demographics and time periods.... Station formats have a lot to do with what type of clients will spend their advertising dollar on what station...... Last week sometime, I heard Norm on the air commenting about the sponsored monkey times. During that he said that he did not believe the book (never mentioned it by name, but I assume he was referring to Arbitron) and were targeting mostly the mom and pop businesses (there are a lot of them, so he has a pretty big potential clientale) who would not normally advertise on radio..... He is trying to use the monkey time as sort of an introductory offer to clients to try the station and see what kind of response they would get for sponsoring one hour of monkey time.... I wish him luck.... Messages available are #1291 to 1512. You last read #1507. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1508. Sat 4-04-92 21:45 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Kirsten Gold Subject: RFH Dark Horse Week ALSO SEE: 1494. I checked all the surveys that I have... I am missing a few of them, but from the ones I had I did not see the Scorpions listed.... but as I can recall, I do have a vague memory of them being listed at least once... I have to check again.... Well the 3 week thing seems like a computer error on RFH's part, so hopefully by the next Dark Horse, all of the previous months accumlative votes get counted in.... which hopefully means all of our week in and week out voting for particular songs makes it.... but then I won't hold my breath.... Messages available are #1291 to 1512. You last read #1508. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1509. Sat 4-04-92 21:48 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Kirsten Gold Subject: Non-Voters ALSO SEE: 1495. Well, if the station is scrapped, I know what will most likely take its place.... AM MAVERICK COUNTRY will probably return to the FM as a simucast.... it would be very easy and very affordable for Bob Loew to do.... Messages available are #1291 to 1512. You last read #1509. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1510. Sat 4-04-92 21:50 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Kirsten Gold Subject: Suggestions? ALSO SEE: 1496. YOu know, I am NOT that big of a Skinny Puppy fan. In fact, I don't even have any of their CDs or tapes.... but I am aware of their "music".... Some stuff is beginning to catch my fancy like TEXTURE.... A friend of mine is a real big fan of them, he can make recommendations.... but judging by the tape compilation he made which he calls the best of Skinny Puppy or something like that, these are the songs (which I kind of agree with) that are recommended: DIG IT, TEXTURE, ASSIMILATE, WARLOCK and MORPHEUS LAUGHING.... really industrial sounding stuff to me... interesting but I cannot take all of it in one sitting.... As for DOWNLOAD, it is a track from their new album. It is mostly a big and neat sampling of assorted electronic and computer sounds among other things... It should sound real good on my stereo..... I like it so much that, heck, I might as well vote for it... Perhaps if I vote for this for the next SEVEN weeks, it will make the Dark Horse Countdown. Messages available are #1291 to 1512. You last read #1510. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1511. Sat 4-04-92 21:56 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Kirsten Gold Subject: This Week's BILLBOARD ALSO SEE: 1498. Is this the first week for UNDER THE BRIDGE on Billboard? That song is already old in my book, thanks to RFH.... Messages available are #1291 to 1512. You last read #1511. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1512. Sat 4-04-92 21:58 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Jerry Deguzman Subject: Proposal ALSO SEE: 1502. You know, it is hard to remember to type in the RFH in the TO portion of the message header when you are replying to someone elses message via the R command on the menu.... For me that is real easy to do. When I have to enter the E command, besides typing in the RFH in the TO part, we also have to type in the Subject again... kind of hard to follow a thread, or worse yet, know if you are getting a response to your message.... I know I said it was a good idea for the RFH part to avoid the junk mail stuff, but is there a way to make it so that it covers both the user to whom the message was originally a reply to in addition to adding on an RFH header for faxing purposes???? Just wondering dude.... It is still a good idea though.... but then, with all the flaring arguments I am reading about the station here, perhaps they deserve to have their fax paper go to waste.... but I know what you are getting at... for them to read up on the important programming issues that are heavily discussed here rather than the "I love Lush too" type of messages we frequent send to each other.... Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1525. Tue 4-07-92 20:05 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Jerry Deguzman Subject: Proposal ALSO SEE: 1515. That .RFH thing sounds like a good idea, and convenient enough for us users.... but then again, is it worth it to kill yourself undertaking such a project when the people at RFH may not take any of the stuff we say into serious consideration....hehe... Messages available are #1311 to 1528. You last read #1525. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1526. Tue 4-07-92 20:09 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Jay Stevens Subject: Comments on Dark Horse ALSO SEE: 1516. I do mostly computer graphics stuff at the agency.... Your points on the radio stuff is well taken.... Messages available are #1311 to 1528. You last read #1526. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1527. Tue 4-07-92 20:11 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Harman Kardon Subject: Comments on Dark Horse ALSO SEE: 1522. Yep.... demographics suck like you say... by now my "pet" song should be #1 if they only take in my votes for a Dark Horse, or at least close to it... Like I said earlier, RFH should make some kind of statement on either their ballots or the Top 50 telling listeners that their ONE VOTE does not really count as ONE FULL VOTE, PER WEEK for the weekly tabulation of music rotation..... SAD. Messages available are #1311 to 1528. You last read #1527. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1528. Tue 4-07-92 20:13 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Eric Loucks Subject: Funk Hour, Fun Hour! ALSO SEE: 1523. Wow! You finally made it dude! The only bad thing is that we have to wait for an awfully long time before you make it on the air.... Better post it again here at least a week before you go on so that we are reminded. Yep, I'm sure your hour will be intersting, just based on the tape that I am borrowing from you.... Hey, since you'll be on in the night, I'll have no problems putting your hour on tape! Go for it! Yep, Parliment made it to the Top 50 this week. I used to play some of their records a LONG TIME ago when I used to do disco DJ stuff in school. Have fun! MEL. Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1479. Mon 3-30-92 20:01 (NO KILL) (MAILED) From: Mike Summers To: All Subject: Dark Horse Week ALSO SEE: 1489. Just we I had just about given up on Radio Free Hawaii, the dark horse week came about and put some life into the rotation... Just about everything that made it into the new rotation was good, and even the one or two songs stink are at least fresh enough not to drive me crazy. I wish they would do this kind of countdown more often than just every seven weeks. Maybe we can generate enough positive responce for this and get Norm to let them do the Dark Horse countdown once a month. My picks for highlights of the countdown were Concrete Blonde's "Ghost of a texas Ladies Man", Sid Vicious's "My Way", and Miles Davis. And to think that these songs only represented three weeks of accumulated votes.. They said the next dark horse presentation will include overall totals going back to last June. THey also annouced a three hour of low vote getting songs starting this friday.. Way Cool. And last but not least, don't forget to address the question on your ballot, Should they go back to the old format for the regular top fifty countdown and scrap the top twenty five "Any" category. Vote Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Things are really looking up, who knows, Dave might actually get around to scheduling my guest DJ time slot. I've been waiting to get a time since I submitted my playlist in January. Mike Summers --- þ SLMR 2.0 þ "A Working Class Hero is something to be" .. John Lennon ##SC_FIDO 1.04á GT->FIDO 030/007 - Techno Tronic BBS Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1352. Sat 3-14-92 9:54 (NO KILL) From: Kirsten Gold To: Melvin Ahching Subject: RFH BS ALSO SEE: 1321. º OK.... so you're lucky to vote twice a week.... that's cool...... Hold on a minute! Before I suffer the "Wrath of De-Gooz-Mon", let me explain...Kenn fills out his own paper ballot and I merely type it in for him every week. He usually doesn't elect to comment on anything, and I don't usually elect to comment in his absence...HOWEVER, since this was a "key" vote (supposedly), I chose to air some of our SHARED gripes with the rotation. Looks like it accomplished nil, anyway. ##SC_FIDO 1.04á GT->FIDO 030/007 - Techno Tronic BBS Messages available are #1161 to 1375. You last read #1352. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: r REPLY TO MESSAGE #1352. From: Melvin Ahching To: Kirsten Gold Press Esc for new subject, or RETURN to retain old subject. Subject: RFH BS Security: Kill protect None? Enter message, 99 lines max., empty line or CTRL-END to end. [--------------------------------------------------------------------------] 1: Rotation.... yep the more you try to change it, the more it seems to stay 2: the same..... 3: S PUBLIC TO DETERMINE PROGRAMMING ON RADIO FREE HAWAII, KDEO FM B1 20-MAY-91 STAR BULLETIN ... MONDAY, 20TH MAY, 1991 1. RADIO BROADCASTING PROGRAMS 2. RADIO BROADCASTING STATIONS [48650] To see the Previous Screen, type PS To see the introductory screen, type IS Msg Base: #1 - General Messages Area (LOCAL) Msg No: 516. Mon 10-07-91 23:23 From: Jerry Deguzman To: Melvin Ahching Subject: Radio Free Voting ALSO SEE: 515, 518. º Just saw your message up above about the lack of people voting on the º board..... How many people are actually voting here??? Via this BBS, that Well - there's been an average of only about 40 legitimate ballots cast per week (legitimate meaning, of course, no ballot loading). Over the air, the dude Mohammad mentioned that the BBS thing was doing pretty good - but then again, Mohammad says a lot of things over the air (grin)... I was hoping for a lot more voting activity. When I presented RFH with the idea, I stated that TNT had "over 500 users, averages 50 calls a day, and maybe about 200 different callers a week". So, I was expecting about 200 ballots. The thing is, though, that as hard as it is to believe, not everybody is even interested in listening to RFH. A lot of people are afraid to cast ballots, because they "don't know what to vote for". Of course, you and I know that this is exactly the whole purpose of balloting - to vote what we WANT to get played... Oh, and have no fear - I haven't and do not intend to abandon BBS balloting (my pet project!). In fact, I've expanded this and have offered every GT sysop the opportunity to run ballot boxes on their boards as well. So far, of th 30+ GT boards on Oahu, only about 5 others are game enough. So, within the next week or two, there will be more balloting sites. And, that will help to solve a major problem that this idea had encountered: Running a single line BBS severely limits the amount of people able to log on - thereby limiting the amount of ballots casted. Most people that log on to this board will spend hours a day downloading files, or playing games. But that's perfectly OKAY with me.... Lately, I've been seriously considering running a multi-line BBS that would not be restricted for adults only. Something like FYI and "Yoraps". Of course, financials are always the problem, and I feel strongly AGAINST charging users for enjoying a BBS. I would need sponsors instead.... Msg Base: AREA 3 - Radio Free Hawaii Feedback (E99/007) Msg No: 1124. Mon 2-17-92 20:40 (NO KILL) (MAILED) From: Jay Stevens To: Melvin Ahching Subject: Centerfold ALSO SEE: 1123. | Centerfold was #1 on the regular Hot 100 chart for 6 weeks. I don't think | they had a modern rock chart back then.... but then I could be wrong.... If this were a contest, you'd win First Prize -- I checked too and, yes, Billboard's Hot 100 lists "Centerfold" as number-one. Regards, Jay Stevens Msg Base: AREA 3 - Radio Free Hawaii Feedback (E99/007) Msg No: 1125. Mon 2-17-92 22:42 (NO KILL) (MAILED) From: Jerry Deguzman To: Melvin Ahching Subject: MessageBusters ALSO SEE: 1117. º Jerry.... Kirsten.... anyone.... how do you do it???? ûRemember I have a º Mac.... perhaps I can just simply cut and paste stuff.... hmmm.... let me º try.... later.... Welp - Kirsten explained it in another message addressed to you. It doesn't matter what type of machine you have, because the quoting is accomplished solely by the BBS. To recap: 1). Hit on a blank line 2). From the list of options provided, hit "R" for "R)ead" (this is the same menu that you would normally hit "S" for "S)ave" 3). Next, you will see a line that says "Enter Msg# or Filename: 1117", where the "1117" represents that message that you are replying to. Just hit 4). Now, you will see 3 more options: Enter A)ll, R)eview or the line numbers to read, (MM)-(NN) : If you hit "A", the whole message will be quoted If you hit "R", then you can review the message, and enter the line numbers to quote as "MM-NN". It's pretty easy, once you get the hang of it.... Heck, Kirsten's already an expert at it! Msg Base: AREA 3 - Radio Free Hawaii Feedback (E99/007) Msg No: 1126. Mon 2-17-92 23:32 (NO KILL) (MAILED) From: Jerry Deguzman To: Melvin Ahching Subject: TOP 50 #38 ALSO SEE: 1120. | * LEAST WANTED TO BE HEARD (NOT Sledgehammered again!!!) | TOO LEGIT TO QUIT by Hammer | saved from death by Fred (the 2nd time it's been saved!!!!!) !!!!!!!!! AAAARRRRGGGHHH !!!!!!!!!!! Fred? FRED?!?! Who's FRED??? Is that FRED as in "Right Said Fred"???? Another candidate for the hammer (pun intended). Grrr.... Msg Base: AREA 3 - Radio Free Hawaii Feedback (E99/007) Msg No: 1127. Tue 2-18-92 1:45 (NO KILL) From: Maimes Bondo To: Melvin Ahching Subject: Hoi there! ALSO SEE: 1118. Yeah, fun... Actually, reading all those back messages is kinda interesting once you get into it.. i mean... all the interesting things that happened back in 1958 are amazing! *GRIN* Check for personal mail? [Y/n] n FILES: AREA 1 - General Files and Bulletins MSGS : AREA 1 - General Messages Area Q;4 to cast YOUR vote in the Radio Revolution! [60] Minutes left. Enter command (? for help): a 3 Reading: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Messages available are #1131 to 1338. You last read #1329. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1330. Wed 3-11-92 7:16 (NO KILL) From: Jerry Deguzman To: Melvin Ahching Subject: Tape Swap ALSO SEE: 1326, 1337. | What part of downtown do you work in???? I work ALL OVER downtown. I'm a field service technician type of dude ("Don't come to us, we'll come to you!"). ##SC_FIDO 1.04á GT->FIDO 030/007 - Techno Tronic BBS Messages available are #1131 to 1338. You last read #1330. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: r REPLY TO MESSAGE #1330. From: Melvin Ahching To: Jerry Deguzman Press Esc for new subject, or RETURN to retain old subject. Subject: Tape Swap Security: Kill protect None? Enter message, 99 lines max., empty line or CTRL-END to end. [--------------------------------------------------------------------------] 1: Oh yeh... I forgot... you pay $20 for parking when on service calls.... 2: Abort Continue Insert List Edit cursor, home, etc. Editing Keys Topic Delete Read Upload Save: s Time Bank deposit: 5. Balance: 1245 minutes. Storing message #1339... Messages available are #1131 to 1339. You last read #1330. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1331. Wed 3-11-92 16:28 (RECV'D) From: Steve Neffi To: Jerry Deguzman Subject: I WON!!! ALSO SEE: 1319. Sorry, I'm not a fan of reggae and only know about Shabba Ranks because he happened to make the news while I was in Jamaica. As a rule, I try to avoid reggae as much as is humanly possible. ##SC_FIDO 1.04á GT->FIDO 030/007 - Techno Tronic BBS Messages available are #1131 to 1339. You last read #1331. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1332. Sat 3-07-92 9:16 (NO KILL) (RECV'D) From: Mike Summers To: Jay Stevens Subject: Free Speech ALSO SEE: 1250, 1334, 1336. JS>| JS> Which song/songs have explicitly used the f-word we've been talkin abo JS>| JS>(I think) in the lyrics *and* have enjoyed wide airtime on radio or JS>| JS>television or both? Concert performances don't count. JS>| JS>| The first song that comes to mind is The Who's "Who are You"... Of course, Lou Reed crossed the explicit lyrics barrier in 1972 with the classic "Take a walk on the wild side" with the line "even when she was giving head". I didn't count it though as the it only made the airways because most of the programmers didn't have a clue what giving head meant. I'm not sure of the impact of the recent ruling by the Supreme Court which stated that the government cannot regulate offensive words off the radio 24 hours aday. I guess that means the explicit zone at night is protected. No big deal to me, but I am amazed at what is considered offensive... words that deal in a vulgar fashion with sex, sex organs, or human waste removal .. The most offensive word I hear on the radio every day is Nigger. I can't even bring myself to say that word, and, while am am desensatized to it now, I still cringe occasionally when I hear it over the air. And the worst part about it is that it is often used by one of my favorite groups Public Enemy. Mike Summers --- þ SLMR 2.0 þ "The Angels want to wear my red shoes" .. Elvis Costello ##SC_FIDO 1.04á GT->FIDO 030/007 - Techno Tronic BBS Messages available are #1131 to 1339. You last read #1332. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1333. Thu 3-12-92 9:00 From: Brian Sudis To: Melvin Ahching Subject: RFH BS/Dump The Artist ALSO SEE: 1307. Please all vote for the dump the artist portion and just have songs only.... It might even respark my interest in the station... I have not even listened to the station since my last vote... I'm so disapointed with RFH... You know I even wrote them a letter after the first week I listened to them telling them how great I thought they were ... Must be time to write them again... Messages available are #1131 to 1339. You last read #1333. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1334. Thu 3-12-92 9:16 From: Brian Sudis To: Mike Summers Subject: Free Speech ALSO SEE: 1332. I think offensive falls under the category as defined by the courts as same as obsence... Meaning, the terms definition is determined by "community standards". Messages available are #1131 to 1339. You last read #1334. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1335. Thu 3-12-92 16:44 (NO KILL) From: Eric Loucks To: Melvin Ahching Subject: Guest DJ ALSO SEE: 1324. Hi! Isn't your Guest DJ spot this Friday at 8 AM? I'll tape it for you, so there's one less thing to think about while you're "on". As for my try at DJing, RFH hasn't gotten back to me yet after I returned the paperwork. Good luck and Have Fun! BCINGU, El. Messages available are #1131 to 1339. You last read #1335. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: r REPLY TO MESSAGE #1335. From: Melvin Ahching To: Eric Loucks Press Esc for new subject, or RETURN to retain old subject. Subject: Guest DJ Security: Kill protect None? Enter message, 99 lines max., empty line or CTRL-END to end. [--------------------------------------------------------------------------] 1: Oh.... yes, My guest DJ slot is TOMORROW morning.... but has been 2: rescheduled to 9AM..... that's 9AM on Friday the 13th..... tomorrow.... I 3 : would love to get a tape of it.... I am on my end will try to tape it 4: directly from the station too.... but it's ncie to get a back-up copy.... 5: Hope you see this by tomorrow morning...hehehe.... 6: Abort Continue Insert List Edit cursor, home, etc. Editing Keys Topic Delete Read Upload Save: s Time Bank deposit: 5. Balance: 1250 minutes. Storing message #1340... Messages available are #1131 to 1340. You last read #1335. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1336. Thu 3-12-92 16:50 (NO KILL) From: Eric Loucks To: Mike Summers Subject: Free Speech ALSO SEE: 1332. I'm a big Public Enemy fan, too. PE, Ice-T, and some other black artists have reclaimed the word Nigger. It's good to hear it in an empowered context, rather than the usual insulting or self depracating way. I'm a definite whiteboy even though I've lived in black cities and listen to black music mostly. There's such a fine line on using the word, I'll just leave it to the people who own it. You can only succeed a certain amount in acquiring a culture; my way of showing respect in that process is to be very humble and unpretentious about my true identity. Only white folks give me shit on this! Enough rambling... BCINGU, El. Messages available are #1131 to 1340. You last read #1336. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1337. Thu 3-12-92 17:27 (NO KILL) From: Eric Loucks To: Jerry Deguzman Subject: Tape Swap ALSO SEE: 1330. Hi! I know you've been dying to find out what's on the Special El Mix tape, so here goes... Side A Love and Rockets It Could Be Sunshine, Kundalini Express Dread Zeppelin Heartbreaker, Black Mountain Looters Cross the Border, Under a Blue Concrete Sky Ice-T Drama, Freedom of Speech Funkadelic I Call My Baby Pussycat Phillip Glass Bed (from Einstein on the Beach) Side B Limbomaniacs Shake It, Pavlov's Frothing Dogs Beatnigs Television (remix) Tom Tom Club Kiss Me When I Get Back, Wa Wa Dance Bill Nelson Flesh, Eros Arriving Ryuichi Sakamoto Warhead, Plastic Bamboo Public Enemy Megablast Messages available are #1131 to 1340. You last read #1337. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: r REPLY TO MESSAGE #1337. From: Melvin Ahching To: Eric Loucks Press Esc for new subject, or RETURN to retain old subject. Subject: Tape Swap Security: Kill protect None? Enter message, 99 lines max., empty line or CTRL-END to end. [--------------------------------------------------------------------------] 1: Thanks for the list... cutting it out now and using it for a custom tape 2: label.... 3: Abort Continue Insert List Edit cursor, home, etc. Editing Keys Topic Delete Read Upload Save: s Time Bank deposit: 5. Balance: 1255 minutes. Storing message #1341... Messages available are #1131 to 1341. You last read #1337. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1338. Thu 3-12-92 17:32 (NO KILL) From: Eric Loucks To: Kirsten Gold Subject: Tape Swap ALSO SEE: 1310. Hello! How's the Cocteau Twins collection going? Growing?? Take a look at ALBUMS.TXT to see if there's anything I can do you for. I'm not even sure of the whole Cocteau discography, so maybe you can fill me in on a little more than just "Heaven..." and "Treasure"? BCINGU, El. Messages available are #1131 to 1341. You last read #1338. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1339. Thu 3-12-92 20:00 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Jerry Deguzman Subject: Tape Swap ALSO SEE: 1330. Oh yeh... I forgot... you pay $20 for parking when on service calls.... Messages available are #1131 to 1341. You last read #1339. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1340. Thu 3-12-92 20:02 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Eric Loucks Subject: Guest DJ ALSO SEE: 1335. Oh.... yes, My guest DJ slot is TOMORROW morning.... but has been rescheduled to 9AM..... that's 9AM on Friday the 13th..... tomorrow.... I would love to get a tape of it.... I am on my end will try to tape it directly from the station too.... but it's ncie to get a back-up copy.... Hope you see this by tomorrow morning...hehehe.... Messages available are #1131 to 1341. You last read #1340. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: q Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1295. Sun 3-08-92 8:21 (NO KILL) From: Kirsten Gold To: Brian Sudis Subject: RFH BS ALSO SEE: 1264, 1301. Yeah, I know what you mean about OVERPLAYING! Norm still insists their highest rotation is every 6 hours or something, but...one morning last week I woke up to "Tomorrow, Wendy" at 4:30 and then heard it again only 3 hours later when I got to work. I don't listen to the station all that much anymore because it seems every time I turn it on I will either hear A) Red Hot Chili Peppers, B) Nirvana, C) Concrete Blonde, D) Ned's Atomic Dustbin, E) Pearl Jam, or ALL OF THE ABOVE! Seems none of my voting and comments have made a dent either, and I may give it up myself soon. What really pissed me off was when Norm asked everyone to put suggestions about the rotation on the back of their ballot and they would announce the re- sults two weeks later. Well on both my ballots and Kenn's (commenting in his "spirit") I suggested that the rotation SUCKED and they should change the countdown to a song-only format...no more "any" this or "any" that. The results were on the "Wild Women's Weekend" and of course they said the majority were perfectly happy and only about 5 people said they should change. BULLSHIT! So where are they getting all these comments week upon week from people begging for more variety? Yup, RFH has definitely become it's own worst enemy...Top 40 Radio. Messages available are #1091 to 1301. You last read #1295. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: r REPLY TO MESSAGE #1295. From: Melvin Ahching To: Kirsten Gold Press Esc for new subject, or RETURN to retain old subject. Subject: RFH BS Security: Kill protect None? Enter message, 99 lines max., empty line or CTRL-END to end. [--------------------------------------------------------------------------] 1: Norm read Ken's ballot over the air yesterday...... during the countdown 2: show.... I forgot exactly what it said, but it pretty much echoed what you 3: said in your message above (#1295). 4: Msg Base: AREA 22 - The Radio Revolution (E99/057) Msg No: 676. Sun 5-03-92 15:25 From: Jerry Deguzman To: Melvin Ahching Subject: Test ÚÄ ³ YOU are still the SPONSOR of the Radio Revolution message base?? Even ³ after ³ you change to PC Board.... Yes - as long as Techno Tronic is a member of the GT network, we'll be sponsoring this echo. ³ Well dude, tell me when you get the Top 50. Uploaded it Wed. to Medic's ³ and just seen it here at Listening Post... so it is being bounced around ³ rather successfully.... Hopefully I being here (or wherever) will at least ³ get more people interested in the radio revolution.... Well, since TNT sponsors this echo, that means ALL messages come through this board before any other board (besides the originating board) gets them. Meaning: 1). Message was entered on Medic's place 2). Message was forwarded to Medic's hub (but NOT distributed on that hub BBS for people to read) 3). Eventually, message gets to TNT, and unpacked into my message area. 4). Message goes out to my hub, and I believe it is then unpacked into his message area for people to read 5). My hub forwards message to his connects, for unpacking into their message area. ³ In fact, after seeing today's Arbitron, the Radio Revolution still needs ³ to convert more people.... otherwise it MAY be over before you or I even ³ know it... Welp - it's been almost a year. Remember when we all had our doubts that RFH would last that long? ³ Well Jerry dude... you know I've been a member of the Listening Post for ³ longer than I've been on TNT... and was quite happy to see this BBS carry ³ the Radio Revolution echo.... Yeah - I've been a member of Listening Post longer than TNT as well! Again, I'm quite stoked that this echo is making into the 029 network. Maybe you can convince Lou and/or Ken to run a ballot box on their BBS's as well? ³ I hope Kirsten shows up someday on one of these boards again... I think I ³ may have scared her away with all my rantings lately... sorry.... ÀÄ[MA] Welp - it would be a shame to lose her valuable contribution to the Radio Revolution. Hey - since I'm not much of a social planner, when do you think our next shindig will take place? I kinda liked the Coffeeline except, gawd, I think my wife and I were over dressed for the occasion. Everybody was staring at us! But again, I think that's actually a better place to get together than was Pearl Kai's Food Court. Seems to have the right atmosphere for a phreak/ anarchy type of setting... Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1499. Sat 4-04-92 21:01 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Mike Summers Subject: Dark Horse Week ALSO SEE: 1479. Yep, I agree with all your points. They should make Dark Horse at LEAST once a month.... and hell, they should just dump all the songs from the previous week's charts and enter only new ones every week. Perhaps a one month blackout for each song that made the top 50 is in order until it can make the chart again.... Yep, I voted for a return to the top 50, no artist category.... and within that, well no ANY ARTISTS within the top 50.... songs only would be the ideal... and it would sure be easier to type the darn thing up for uploading here....hehehehe.... I did not hear the three hour block for one voter songs. I thought they were going to instigate this.... perhaps I just simply missed it... if so, anyone knows when it's on???? Yep, I sure hope they take into consideration the entire 44 weeks worth of accumulated songs for the next Dark Horse. In today's regular countdown, the Bald Head dude made a reference to this issue, stating that they were having some kind of computer problems, and could only count the last 3 week's vote tally.... Well, I guess I can forgive them for that, knowing that I hope they did make an effort to count in ALL accumulative votes for the past 44 weeks.... perhaps they should higher our gracious sysop to help them with the computer stuff dealing with the vote tally.... reading this Jerry???? But yes, the Dark Horse week was something to behold.... good stuff!!!! *S Messages available are #1291 to 1511. You last read #1499. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1500. Sat 4-04-92 21:07 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Harman Kardon Subject: RFH Dark Horse Week ALSO SEE: 1480. I kind of disagree to a degree on the abandonment of some of the block programming. I like the new music show, they seem to play stuff that I have not heard the previous week.... I hate to see it go because the whole week has to be a hodge podge.... I also think the punk hour is okay, since it is only 1 hour on Saturday night, and I think it matches Pinky's personality for having that show during her time slot.... I do agree that Mohammed plays too much reggae, and even a lot of classic rock (like KPOI) and perhaps needs more musical diversification during his time since he is on 5 nights a week. I would not favor any more block programming except for the addition of the ONE VOTER show that is supposed to showcase songs that got only one vote... haven't heard it yet, but that is about the extent I would go for block programming... we don't need the reggae hour, metal hour, rap hour, etc..... just mix em up.... Messages available are #1291 to 1511. You last read #1500. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1501. Sat 4-04-92 21:11 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Harman Kardon Subject: Comments on Dark Horse ALSO SEE: 1481. Yep.. I was surprised to see the bottom half of the survey dominated by songs with only single digit votes... i.e. 9 votes or lower.... I for one as well as several of my friends have voted for the song POINT ME IN THE DIRECTION OF ALBURQURQUE since about week 10, most of the time every week. By now with my votes alone, that song should have at least 33 positive votes, and perhaps a dozen to 20 more pos votes... of course I once called Norm, and he said the song was getting some negative votes, but I would not think it would be too much, since it never got listed on the top 50 nor put into that high of a rotation (like SMELLS LIKE TEEN SPIRIT for example).... So assuming that through the course of time, if this song even garnered 20 negative votes, the positive ones SHOULD have placed it fairly HIGH on the Dark Horse survey. The only thing I can think of now, is the 3 week tabulation period hurt this song's chances or perhaps even more, the ballot weighting issue is hurting it... You know, they never really OPENLY discuss this ballot weighting thing on the radio. If they are still weighting the ballots by demographic groups, they should so state it on the air or at least list it somewhere on the ballots or the music report.... That way we are kind of forwarned that our ONE VOTE may only be worth A HALF vote or whatever depending on our age group.... I was wondering what if we all DID NOT put down our age on the ballot and see what would happen????? OK, I have to admit POINT ME is not the greatest song in the world. But when my friend and I started voting for it, it was like an experiment to see how many weeks and votes it would take for the song to even be listed on the lower end of the top 50.... So far all of this voting for this song is in vain, at least for getting it into the survey..... Anyway, I am continuing the experiment, even though it is by myself.... Like maybe if I vote for it every week for the next 44 weeks, perhaps by the summer of 1993 it MAY finally be listed on the Top 50... one week is all I am asking for!!!!! If not, then I know for sure that my VOTES do NOT COUNT.... :( SAD.... Messages available are #1291 to 1511. You last read #1501. Check Kill Nonstop Enter Reply Scan Thread Quit Msg# Msg Area+,-: Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1502. Sat 4-04-92 21:21 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Jerry Deguzman Subject: Proposal ALSO SEE: 1484. That sounds like a good idea dude... Too bad I did not see it before posting my two previous messages.... which I think are important enough to burn up some fax paper at KDEO's end.... but I will follow that suggestion from this message forward.... but please FAX the previous two messages that I posted before this one onward to them.... Thanx dude... good idea. Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1425. Thu 3-19-92 7:06 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: Kirsten Gold Subject: Rotation ALSO SEE: 1415. I think part of the reason why the same songs are repeated over and over is that some of the DJs may not be following the logs.... When I was there, Dave and Sandy told me that you had to write down the title of every song you played as you went along... they have these sheets in the studio, and I would assume these woul accumulate through the day.... so it is up to the DJ to look at the previous hours' log sheets of songs to make sure that the same songs are not played at too close of an interval.... some how that system may not be working.... The funny thing is, last Friday when I was guest DJ, I played the song OPERATION SPIRIT by Live at around 9:55, which was my last song to be played.... When I was there, Dave said I did not have to fill out the log, because I had provided them with a computer print out of all the songs that I would be playing in that hour... so as we went along we just went by my computer list.... Well, lo and behold, while I was driving home about 20 minutes after my Guest DJ stint, Kathy with a K played OPERATION SPIRIT again at about 10:25 that same morning.... However for that one, I take full blame, as I somehow took my computer list with me.... it was on my car seat when I looked as that song was played..... kind of funny huh???? But the bottom line is that the DJs should be paying closer attention to the song logs that they are supposed to be keeping up with. I think the rotation problem may occur when DJ shifts change.... perhaps they are not noting the songs that were played during the previous DJ shift and hence the same songs get played again... So my suggestion is that they follow the logs more closely to avoid all too close together song rotations... Msg Base: AREA 7 - Hawaii Chat Alohanet <> E99/060 Msg No: 65. Sun 3-01-92 23:09 (NO KILL) (MAILED) From: Jerry Deguzman To: All Alohanet Sysops Subject: RFH Feedback The RADIO REVOLUTION is now a reality in Alohanet! RADIO REVOLUTION is the official Radio Free Hawaii Feedback Echo, and is being bridged to the GT echo of the same name. Although the main purpose of the echo is to provide a feedback forum for RFH (102.7 FM), any subject pertaining to music and other radio stations may be freely discussed. BEWARE! As with the radio station (FM 102.7), discussions being carried out in this echo are basically free-form, and often times may tend to focus upon controversial debate (namely, FREEDOM). Censorship is not encouraged, and will be limited to a bare minimum as necessary. Excessive behavior, however, would be frowned upon if it serves only to impede on other productive discussions. Tagname for this echo is ALOHA_RFH. I encourage all of you to join the Radio Revolution. (For you GT guys, you can .GM E99/057, sponsored by me and hubbed by The Rainbow Bridge). --------------------------------------------------------------------- Update on BBS ballot boxes: Things have been moving mighty slowly lately - and I must admit that I've gotta shoulder most of the blame. The following boards have been requesting that I stop by and help install the software, yet I've just not been able to make the time: 1). The Pirate's Cove 2). Roadhouse 3). Dirty Joes (I think) Also, I've still gotta get off my butt and start rewriting the code into a door format to allow the non-GT boards to participate, and utilize the automatic file forwarding utilities of their respective networks. To the best of my knowledge, the following boards are currently operating functional ballot boxes: 1). Medic's Place 2). Skipster's Retreat 3). Inside Track 4). Techno Tronic For you GT guys - feel free to file request RFHBOX2.ZIP from Techno Tronic, and make a stab at setting up the files if you're interested in trying it out. Once I see the netmail message, I'll send you a message with your CRC information. ##Mmr 2.41á. Msg Base: AREA 3 - The Radio Revolution! Alohanet <> E99/007 Msg No: 1329. Wed 3-11-92 6:59 (NO KILL) From: Melvin Ahching To: All Subject: Vote on rotations Just a reminder to all of you.... we have an opportunity here to change the rotation patterns at RFH by placing an answer on one of the open forum ballot options presented on the other side of the printed Top 50.... Here again are those options: 1. _____ Once every 7 weeks have a "Dark Horse Countdown" only songs that have not made a countdown. Those songs would go into rotation on the next week. Would start on the 44th presentation. 2. _____ Reserve the bottom 5 song titles and artist titles for songs that have never been on the countdown (so to introduce new music). 3. _____ Go back to the Top 50 songs (Drop the artist category). 4. _____ Keep it the way it is. (Throw this survey in the box with name) This is our chance to at least do away with the artist only category that to me have contributed the most in stagnating the rotation patterns on RFH... So go for it everyone.... cast your ballots and stuff this week for a change in song rotations.... It may be our LAST chance!!!